Some connection with Libby via geocaching. I will say that Libbys birth mother has also dealt with her loss by turning rageful. So the stellar members of LE have RL arrested and sent to jail all the while knowing he couldnt have committed this crime but doing NOTHING to stop the entire community from believing, first, that RL was a main suspect in the case,, and second, believing that he was in jail because he was a suspect! Now, I have denied knowing something that I actually knew, but that was to protect the integrity of an investigation. The shot showed Allen smiling with his wife, while in the background over his shoulder - mere feet away - a police sketch of of the Delphi murder suspect could be seen posted by a notice board on the wall. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. They have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it, but if you look a the nature of their actual evidence, its awfully thin. Required fields are marked *. The suspect has since moved back to North Carolina, and young women have begun to disappear from the trails there now. I cant demand that my friends give me money! There are unconfirmed rumors Mr. Xs truck was towed after his wife never came to bring the car keys and that Mr. Xs truck was never searched by police. And Im sure that the Delphi police could say the same thing. On the other hand, a sample with only nine markers is absolutely not usable in court. And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15568704. Several LE officials have said that Abby had a phone, whether with her or not is not known. Incidentally, we now have a retired homicide detective working as part of our team. Its more secure. Come on, people. The crime scene photos have been widely trashed as paraedolia. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. I dont know, FIELDS! A double asterisk means the information is proven by case documents in our possession. Indiana State Police's analysis of Allen's gun "determined the unspent round located within two feet" of one of the victims "had been cycled through Richard M. Allen's Sig Sauer Model P226," the probable cause affidavit said. Similar murder conditions. Now he says he never saw BG at all. Conceivably, perhaps ~10% of men might have those nine markers. I tune in to their broadcasts and most of it is these narcissists collecting narcissistic supply, which is being doled out by their worshipful audience. I believe there is probable cause to believe that RONALD LOGAN has committed the crime of murder and evidence of that can be found on RONALD LOGANS property.. . Bodies are also posed sometimes as a warning or message, like in revenge killings by the Mafia and various gangs, including narcos. This will dispel some rumors. The problem is that there is a main suspect in the case, and it is known that he was near the crime scene from 6:30 PM on the 13th until 9:30 PM on the 14th. But ive also read (this is a rumorif not OK i will delete) that they girls were found apart. In fact, the rumor is that LE simply does not have enough evidence against Mr. X to take the case to court. Thank you! They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. Mr Logans home was just 1,400 feet from the location where Libby and Abbys bodies were discovered on Valentines Day 2017. It is being said that we are claiming all sorts of odd things about this crime, what happened, and the crime scene. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IIoxYhsduLQ, Protected: Post to Discuss All of the Various POIs and Theories in the Delphi Murders from the Crime to the Present, Protected to Avoid Libel and Character Assassination Part 10, Alt Left: This Is Almost Certainly the Single Most Inexplicable Series of Geopolitical Blunders in Recorded History, Alt Left: Add Iran to That Sino-Russian Alliance While You Are at It, NATO Helped the Ukrainians Fire All Those Drones at Russia, Including all the Way to Moscow, The Conquest of Germany and Japan Never Ended, The Conquest and Destruction of Russia Project Goes Way Back to Post World War 2, The Jewish Conspiracy To Subject Humankind. Then they have the nerve to beg for witnesses to come forward with information. I love you and the information youre releasing! Investigators said the person behind the account posed as the model in order to groom underage girls and get them to send nude photos and their addresses and try to get them to meet. By I dont know what these names mean. Could be something more nefarious. All Rights Reserved. I love true crime and listen to a bunch of podcasts and books. Not sure why that is. They are looking for exactly 43 seconds of audio that BG recorded. Even after the girls were recovered, Mr. X stayed around through all of the media and police hubbub for the next eight hours, from 12:30 PM to 8:30 PM, so his truck was out at the crime scene for 26 full hours, with Mr X presumably with it the entire time. They have their own sources. If this main POI isnt the bridge guy, he is definitely, without a doubt in my mind, involved in the murders of Abby and Libby in some form or fashion. See below for which rumors we believe are proven and which are unverified. Becky Patty: Obviously theyre not accusing her of the homicides! Which begs the question, if Mr. X is BG, how did he come to acquire a pair of Indiana Packers boots, which is what he appears to be wearing during his crime? Enough is enough. The girls sleep in because they had been up late. We are not sure of Mr. Xs current job, but we think he might be selling wooden signs that he makes by himself and sells. Join Nancy Grace for her new online video series designed to help you protect what you love most your children. Mr. X is a very close friend of Mr. M. Mr. M was a 20 year old man who impregnated one of the girls. Also we have excellent sources inside the police with officers who are very close to the investigation. Over the years numerous people have have been put forth as possible suspects in the case. Knives. Point is that he may have never had ceased offending. and our They have thought they had the right guy several times in the Zodiac case, but all of the suspects fell through. It is certainly an interesting question, is it not? In the documents we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. Also if Kegans not involved, then neither is the father. The Indiana State Superintendent of Police is proud of the arrest of an accused in the Delphi massacre. If they tried to take it to court, I am almost certain that the judge would throw it out before it even got to the trial stage. Hmm . In general, the less said about the other aspects of his life the better, and they have no relationship to this case anyway. I wish I could delete this comment because it made no sense. Mr. X did not have PIV sex with either girl. We wrote an article a while back pointing out that we felt Holder was innocent, and that set off a spate of hate mail and threats from him and his son, which we found odd. The comments below have not been moderated, By After the girls body was found, at the time of her murder, the local police chased other suspects in connection with the case, but nothing stuck. See the photo Weve got a secret? We think the secret is that one girl is pregnant. I read through it early on, saw interesting stuff and then later came back and tried to find the interesting stuff but got lost. Ages approximate. Start your Independent Premium subscription today. The authorities have been purposeful in not disclosing much information about the Delphi Murders. Who says those videos are from him? He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. How do you join and can you join as a European? . So Id just as soon stop looking at him as a suspect. There was some sort of a large object, apparently of toy, at the crime scene that was too large for BG to have had it with him on the bridge. No, I Dont Lack Credibility or Legitimacy, Alt Left: Hate the Collective But Love the Individual. He prefers whiskey, its his drink of choice and hes off without it. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing.. Who Is Kegan Kline, the Alleged Catfisher Being Investigated in Delphi Girls' Murder Case? Do we know who this is and why he'd have photos? Director of Atlantas Cold Case Research Institute and Atlanta metro-area CSI, Sheryl McCollum, said she believes the killer likely posed the victims bodies, instead of staging, for a form of gratification. This person was going to share the pictures regardless, they just wanted to be asked first to make themselves feel better is my guess. We also dont know what he was doing searching down there that night. If so, wouldnt the coroner be able to obtain DNA from the fetus? You are an obviously intelligent person and have made many good points. Yes, that is part of Leigh Kerrs testimony. And I seriously doubt that any of those POIs have access to all of those sensitive case documents or that any of them have a personality like that. Our best police source just told us that Ron Logan has been absolutely cleared as a suspect. Of course, we know now that they were killed but as far as LE was concerned, that very night, those girls were alive and may have been in desperate need of assistance. DELPHI, Ind. They are black and white and do mention some aspects of how they died. Classy. If the father was an underage boy, Im not sure anyone cares. (Images via the FBI). So, the girls were found on RLs property. Oh one more thing. There are fields behind his home! 2) There was a shot that was deliberately fired into the creek in an attempt to scare Libby, whom was attempting to evade Mr. Can you explain to me how LE would know that BG filmed his crime if he didnt send that crime footage to the girls phones? Feel free to post about any unsolved case you think is interesting, high profile preferred. Shes also written a book and is aware of my coverage. Dad is BG and KAK is waiting under the bridge. Via LE Source A, we have learned that in both crimes: The following are unverified rumors with at least some probability of being true: Indiana LE did not validate the rumors about some aspects of the crime scene such as: This is probably one of the flat-out weirdest aspects of the case of all. Never knew what the case was against this man other than that he had property near the bridge, and he and his wifes alibi of being out of the state traveling got a bit mangled. Give it a rest, dammit! Only a few seconds of the 43-seconds long recording have not been made public. . Obviously, quickly taken down, etc etc. Indiana State Police told ABC News on Tuesday: "Out of respect for the prosecutorial process, which is being led by the Carroll County prosecutor, we are refraining from making any public statements and are going to allow the probable cause affidavit to stand on its own. Plenty of time to get numbers, etc. Of course they would look for that. Police found the girls' lifeless bodies a short distance from the bridge the following day, near a trail close to the bridge. Knives were also found at Allen's home, according to the affidavit. A Murder at Penn State; The case of Dana Bailey. LE actually believes BG was 49-50 years old when he committed the crime. Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files? However, there are some good posters, especially on r/LibbyandAbby. That piece of information being leaked and generally accepted by the public doesnt do a damn thing to preserve the integrity of the investigation.. They say they want to preserve the integrity of the investigation. We doubt if she did contact his wife. A press conference is expected Monday morning. Known facts about the personal life of the main suspect, Mr. X.: Residence history: Unknown for first 18 years, possibly Illinois. We reported them one year before it came out in the media that they were all true. I find your blog very interesting. Relationship with younger daughter: Excellent, she is very fond of him. The only places he differs is where he thinks that the police are wrong! What? A 50-year-old suspect, identified as Richard Allen, has been arrested at the Carroll County Jail in connection with the murders of Abigail Williams and Libby German, whose bodies were found near the Delphi Historic Trail shortly after being reported missing in February . Garrett said he's solved homicide cases that way, because typically a perpetrator buys a gun legally near his or her home, he said. To say these girls had things shoved in them without proof is horrible for their parents. 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. In the years before his arrest, Miller had left numerous notes in public places saying the killer of Tinsley would strike again. What I noticed in the article is that in cases of stating and posing bodies, the perpetrator and the victims are, compared to other murders, on average, older. The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. BG threw toilet cleaner over the girls and every object at the crime scene, thereby eliminating most if not all of the usable DNA. They said, Hes just a decoy. But we dont know what that means. Let me jump in here. We believe he could have been staging that elaborate crime scene during that time. This proves more of Leigh Kerrs testimony where he said BG sent photos or video to one of the girls phones after the crime. Idle speculation at its finest. Deals with gruesome matters concerning the brutal sex murders of four female minors - mostly about two young teenage girls aged 13 and 14 but also a bit about related murders of two little girls aged 8 and 10. No, LK is the real deal. Its very rare for killers to take photos or videos of their crimes. But I see the home is raised. It's a strange case. R/DelphiMurders is completely useless due to their no rumors or speculation rules, which means that you can only discuss what is proven about the case, which after four years, is just about nothing. The stories vary from one of the girls still alive crying for help while the other lays dead next to her, the killer moving the bodies into disturbing poses or the killer violating one of the girls who was still alive and the body of the first girl that was killed. Maybe we need to clear him a 243rd time then just to make sure! That would mean he would have had to drive back to Delphi by at least 3:45 and possibly later, depending on what town he was in and when he left. They wanted the crime scene to appear like something it wasn't, which could hypothetically include posing the bodies. All other POIs are dropped or cleared at least as being the killers themselves. This is getting ridiculous. As if her murder itself wasn't mysterious enough, the case would see twists, turns, and dead ends along with mysteries within the mystery. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings, which police continue to investigate. The male model whose photos were used has been identified and is not a person of interest in the case, investigators said. If the early rumor is true, and Abby was posed fully clothed as if asleep, it might indicate some remorse or "undoing" by the killer. LE caught Mr. X in the lies about losing his keys, calling his wife to bring him a spare, and a spare even existing in the first place. 6) He has a family member thats buried in the cemetery near the Monon Bridge. In all four instances, people arrived at their conclusions independently of the other party. Theres only one parent. Thats going to be very hard for him to explain. It was my understanding that a local news channel had posted 1 crime scene photo to their Facebook page, and that it was of clothing in the creek. Some claims are listed as unverified. Cops have told us more than they told any of those guardians. Updated: 17:37 ET, Nov 29 2022 A BULLET found near the bodies of murdered teens Libby German and Abigail Williams tied suspect Richard Allen to the horrific killings, according to new court documents. This blood will probably will not come out with the wash. Photo by LIBBY GERMAN / FACEBOOK She was found in an ivory/white dress. The scope of this investigation in terms of who the police think did it and how it unfolded has been dramatically narrowed. The dolls may have been placed there before the crime. One problem was we went down the rabbit hole chasing the wrong guy for a couple of years. This is why you dont hear LE openly accusing people of committing serious crimes like homicide unless they have enough evidence to take them to trial. Its buried under settlement and underbrush. Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. I am creating a special article about this to link to in order to deal with the constant hate comments in this regard so I dont have to keep going over this stuff in every update. Anyway, pastor in a Pentecostal church would be a perfect place for a man like that because those religious people dont care much about Alpha, Beta, and all that stuff. Allen's wife confirmed to police that he owns a blue Carhartt jacket, the document said. Mr. Xs wife, his daughter, and Becky Patty are now putting out a story that Mr. X never lost his keys in the first place. Are they deliberately lying to us? Why would we do that? A mystery man was captured in a grainy video taken on Libby's phone the day of her. But all theories must be judged against their competitors (Occams). First, a pitch for support for this website and our sleuthing group: Our private group is clearly the best Delphi sleuthing group on the Internet by far and has been since it was founded four years ago in 2017. The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13. He took a piece of jewelry from Libby as a trophy thats also buried. He could have called his wife, who was friends with Becky Patty, and the wife could have told him about the girls going missing. Please check out my YouTube channel, MsPsychic Sleuth. However, I do not know how to contact you Sir. Did he see BG? The dots connecting back to Iowa with the Tyson plant etc is great investigative work. Welcome to the site! We dont know why he asked permission to search Ron Logans land at 6:30 PM, but this is also a huge red flag because he asked to search the land a full half hour before the fire department had even announced the formation of a search team. It finally started to sink in to these geniuses when the case was made look one of the eye witnesses who contributed to the 1st BG sketch is a lady who lives right behind Ron Logan, dont you think if the Killer was Ron that she would say, simply yeah the guy I saw that day lives right behind me? Not that anyone who has half a brain needs to be convinced Ron Logan is not the killer lol. Im sure the guy does look at posts and stuff which is creepy as all hell. Not long afterwards, the pink stripe was removed from the truck, witnesses say. Here's the Update in His Case. Clown. No, I wasnt aware that she existed. Multiple, multiple deep stab wounds.. A previous report noted, in stunning news, that the killer had known Libby for 3-4 months before the murders via social media. She was being potentially catfished by this person, who, of course, looked nothing like and was nothing like what he portrayed online.. Two young girls disappear off of an extraordinarily dangerous bridge in the middle of the day when they had plans to be picked up at a specific time? We believe that the running away and months of therapy were also staged. In other words, they were faked. Why did Mr. X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars? Yes, that is what I referred to; i.e. Well have a conversation about it, hell say, you know, Its such a tragedy, and well say were sorry for the families and all of them. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. We believe that this happened in the first place because a photo exists of a truck being towed from the CPS building around February 14. Have you wrote about what the investigators talked to RL about? On the photo of BG on the bridge, does anyone else see handcuffs instead of camera/knife bag? Police investigating the mysterious Delphi, Indiana, murders are looking for the person who, they said, created fake Snapchat and Instagram profiles, posed as a wealthy male model and contacted underage girls. What time was RL on video eating pizza? Im leaving it at that. Lists a factory as place of residence. A chilling picture shows the daughter of the man arrested in connection to the Delphi bridge murders posing in the same spot where the teenage victims were last seen alive. I live in Pennsylvania and have been interested in this case since the time it happened. Photos, videos, cameras, videocameras, and film. Ok how on Earth do they know that BG shot 43 seconds of audio unless that rumor about sending the crime film to the phones is true? The Reddit sites are pretty useless too, mostly because most posters regard the best sources on this crime as false. There's verbiage that suggests 1) Source has vendettas against specific individuals and groups; 2) Repeated disclaimers (thou doth protest too much). I dont know this man very well, but he wasnt in on this crime. Most of Leigh Kerrs and the search party members testimony has gone into this bracket because unfortunately, while we think they are right, we cannot regard their testimony as probative. And sickeningly, the murderer 'staged' the girls' bodies in a particular way after killing them, although it remains unclear exactly how he did this. Long, 22 pages. I don't see much in these, but there is another one that def looks like a body is posed, but the jury's out. For example, a rape victim being naked from the waist down and legs splayed might invoke shock but the victim was not posed specifically to shock- just left as is. Libby also shared a snap of herself walking along the same railroad tracks on the day of her murder, with the Snapchat updates causing a sensation that made the case one of the United States' most notorious unsolved murders. Im also sure that its used as a tactic to convince the public that they were completely justified in making whatever decisions they felt required justification. I wonder if that person is confusing the crime scene photos with the Iowa girls. Hes afraid hes going to be framed with these murders, a reasonable fear. The bodies were found on property belonging to Ronald Logan. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. movements and events. 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. Since Libby and Abby were young, and the perpetrator is between 18 and 40, according to the statistics would that indicate a possible attempt to thwart the investigation? was unsealed by a county court on Tuesday, revealing key new details. Granted, we dont have any evidence that this is true other than Leigh Kerrs statements. Marital status: Married, rocky and tumultuous marriage with breakups where they go live on their own and later get back together. People are saying this is a coincidence, but apparently LE does not believe it is coincidental. Same with Evansdale probably too. Problem is they only have nine markers on that partial sample. May have worked at Tyson Foods slaughterhouse in Logansport, Indiana and sister facility in Waterloo, Iowa in 2011-2012. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. This man deserves to be caught and get death penalty. Innocent people are hurt and killed in these cases, but theyre not really high profile and we dont have time to mess with this epidemic. We have your fingerprints on the counter.. He was the right age, but he doesnt look like BG. I dont know if the bridge was within eyeshot of the spot where the girls were found. Ok he has committed some sort of sex crimes or other or weird crimes like peeping and whatnot. I am going to bet dollars to donuts there will be a person arrested February 13th, 2022. He was married to Becky Pattys sister at the time, and I believe it was about a week afterwards that she posted on social media her husband was a monster then deleted it. The affidavit states that Indiana State Police and the FBI carried out a search warrant on 25 February 2017 - less than two weeks after Abby and Libby were murdered at Mr Klines home in Peru after tracking down the user of the anthony_shots profile to the property. However, smudged prints are of very dubious value. Hi folks! 43 seconds of audio. He was 18 in 1984, so we figured he graduated that year, but maybe he graduated in 1986 when he was 20. Because it doesnt matter whether I think hes guilty or not. However, I do not believe it was sexually motivated, but believe theres potential for multiple motives. Thats very embarrassing. Mike Patty: Just stop, ok? Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. But Garrett said he doesn't understand how it took so long for an arrest. Find these clothes, they will be what solves this! He could have gone home, but for some reason he stayed with his truck. Meanwhile, Kegan Kline, an Indiana man accused of child exploitation and child pornography, says police told him he was the last person to communicate with one of the girls. These two men, driving in the younger mans black truck with pink stripe, were witnessed in the vicinity on or near the cemetery road at approximately 5:30 AM February 14, 2017. A famous one is the Lewiston Killer in Lewiston, Idaho in the late 1970s. Investigators believe the man is the killer. Which of them is LEs chief suspect? Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? If it was an adult male, that changes things considerably. Just thought I would steel you for that thought. before that he was at dump and after that he went to fish store. Guilty until proven innocent! Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. We think people need to stop talking about DNA. Recently moved to a small city nearby, possibly due to the heat of being a suspect in the crime. Im really worried about people bothering or harming this guy and his family. , updated You said parent, so that gives me a clue. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. I am sure the person you and Mr. Lindsay are speculating who BG is, is spot on. That would have been quite a problem. So that means he killed these girls because theyre chicks too! Doesnt sound like a logical progression of thought to me. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but its a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. Im actually a rather shy, introverted, cautious, and extremely polite person who is terrified of making people mad, getting called creepy, offending people, etc. Im not sure about their clothes, but they definitely crossed that creek all right.