Detective Brittney Hilton sues Sig Sauer after she says holstered P320 P320 Accidental Discharge Still an Issue : r/SigSauer - reddit Theres just too much other paraphernalia bouncing around in there. The latest of these suits was filed last week in US District Court in Massachusetts. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. Sig Sauer lawsuit: Man charged in wife's shooting death blames gun ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. Yes, but that did not mean the machine would be able to go on being marketed like that. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. Sep 20, 2021 613 571 Idaho. 1:07. congrats. I still own them all. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? You couldnt ask questions. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. About Those SIG P320 Lawsuits - The Truth About Guns Here is a movie that he filmed 40 years ago and he was still raking it in. It provides another example of how the gun free zone purportedly keeps people safe by not only keeping guns away, but by requiring more discharges nearby. Theyve also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. Oh, if you another thread reader asking Wheres the Sig/Glock bashing? Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Texas Penal Code - PENAL 42.12 | FindLaw They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. Its a novelty, its got issues! ABC ran their story on the P320 twice, but with some significant differences between the two reports. These officers are not gunfighters. No autographs, No self taken pictures. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. He points to it in the video. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). -You plan on getting rid of your P320, great! Fine. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, The drop-bang thing only happened at a very narrow event window, it was only once the Internet doom-preachers figured out that narrow window and did it over and over online did it appear to be a thing. Sig adapted and changed the pistol sufficiently to prevent even that issue. Marine vet ICE agent sues Sig Sauer for $10M claiming pistol shot him Which in and of itself is user error / misuse. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. Companies stay silent Alec Baldwin fatally shoots cinematographer, injures director on set of Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. But Shatner? They are being replaced with Glocks. Additional questions about the Voluntary Upgrade Program are answered in the FAQ. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. TTAG talked to SIG Sauer about the P320 suits and the ABC reports. Pasco Deputy Fired Over Accidental Gun Discharge Fighting To - WUFT Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. Sig Sauer P320: The US Army Loves This Gun (But There Is a Problem) So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. Holding the striker fully cocked with nothing to block it if the sear fails is questionable at best. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? The P320s and P365s were junk, plain and simple. Sig makes a damn fine weapon and theres nothing wrong with it. If it were a lowered tier manufacturer like a Taurus having allegations made against them, people would run with it without thinking twice. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. 35446 Views 56 Replies 41 Participants Last post by tirod, Sep 1, 2021. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . Sig Sauer Faces $10 Million Lawsuit over P320 Pistol After Alleged SIG SAUER Statement on CANSOFCOM Incident - Soldier Systems Daily He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. You would have to conclude theres a problem with the product, not with the people., In the Nightline version, Bagnell says, Firearms are not subject to federal regulation. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. . Having it as the ONLY trigger pull the weapon has seems (to me) clearly dangerous. You clanging a bell that went silent years ago. I cant stand Glocks but SIG P320s are junk. Asked if the guns in these cases could have been mishandled, Villani responds, When I see videos of police officers getting out of their car and their weapon discharges in their holsters, nah, theres a problem with the gun. ABC then ran bodycam footage of a pre-upgrade P320 firing as a Michigan state trooper exited his patrol car in 2016 with no mention of the results of any subsequent investigation. How about something more relevant. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. Zero in the affirmative. His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. Two, the plunger may have a propensity to remain partially raised, or staged, instead of returning fully to its secure position, lessening the energy necessary to move it and thus allowing less effort to do so. Yesterday, a Canadian news outlet, CBC News, published a story regarding the unintended discharge last year of a SIG P320 by a Canadian Special Operator, resulting in injury and his unit withdrawing the pistol from service. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. ALL OF THEM. On February 19, 2021, Military.com reported: A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on accidentally discharged, firing a 9mm bullet into his right leg. BTW it was HK that made the first polymer gun, Glock actually stole the idea for the G17 from them. Finger on the trigger and muzzle discipline are sometimes unheralded. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. I would rather play handball with the Devil himself because if you deal with the Devil he will tell you that you agreed to lose your soul for a big box full of millions in cash. Weird how that might happen. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Problem | SIG Talk Being highly trained doesnt eliminate stupidity. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. Would you? Where is that defect now? Oct 20, 2022 #36 ; vh20 said: . Sig P320 is just one of many pistols with Safety related. Glocks biggest problem is they havent innovated since 1985. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. Let us look at the history of other consumer products. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. The current allegations, then, are different, claiming that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Whether or not the suits have merit. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. The new guy sucks. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. Remember the highly trained FBI officer whose gun went off in a nightclub? And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? The claim basically boils down to the notion that in normal, unconcerning operation, a foreign body entered the striker body. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. You simply may not PREFER one make to another, or may simply dislike another make, but were to the point in semi-auto pistol production history where amongst the big brands, the only real distinctions are preference. Pity that some of the most common reactions fall into two over simplistic categories: 1. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. He likens it to a bow-and-arrow, pulled taut. Wheee!!. About $300. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. Seems a bit apologetic to me. Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. Sig Sauer did not respond to ABC News' request for comment. There was no holster involved. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. On Thursday, M.D. Heres the version that ran Tuesday morning during the networks Good Morning America program . Trust a P365 with your life. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. Profits over reliability and you end up with junk. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. The Milwaukee police department has had 3 incidents of the Sig discharging while being in a holster sitting in a patrol car in 2023. Sound familiar? And they would not have done that for no reason at all. there is no better. There were a lot of changes. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! I continue to bet my life on them. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? He quickly too quickly tried to pick up the gun from the floor before anyone could see it, and in his haste, he picked it up with his finger on the trigger and accidentally fired the gun. At rest, cocked, it may very well have enough oomph to set some primers off. U.S. lawsuits SEPTA officer's handgun spontaneously fired in Philly's Suburban Station The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. They cant even make claim to doing a twice a year qual. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. Bravo. I love when people call law enforcement officers highly trained. Most dont get more training than what they had in the academy unless they are getting paid time to train, or are going for something speciality such as S.W.A.T. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. It was expensive. Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. People who know how to handle guns prudently and safely. When a consumer product is likely to be operated in such a way that it causes accidents because it is way too easy to make a serious mistake because of human error when operating it the manufactures are told that the machine must be made safer. You arent a gunfighter, either. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. Stinking Lawyers and quota cops. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. It upgraded its P320 pistols in October 2018, before the middle school incident, spokeswoman Amanda. Did a Sig Sauer P320 Fire On Its Own? A Police Officer - 19FortyFive Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, State Judge Issues Order Blocking Enforcement of Illinois Firearms Ban Act Statewide, Federal Judge Grants Injunction Blocking Enforcement of ATFs Frame or Receiver Rule, Illinois Rep. Bob Morgan: Anything Stamped M&P is a Weapon of War, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. Everyone remembers the problems the Beretta M9 had, but it got sorted and they went on to serve over 30 years. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? MIM strikers made in India and put into Sigs. After all, there are limits on complying with Rule 2 and even Rule 3, because a gun muzzle is ALWAYS covering something, somewhere, and ALWAYS knowing what lies beyondperhaps FAR beyonda possible target is an impossibility. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. I used to laugh at his bragging about how skilled he was with a weapon.. Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves.. Then without any extra effort, the normal trigger pull caused the tab on the drop safety to sheer off. As a result, the P320s were withdrawn from service, leaving the JTF-2 with their older P226s. The claimed mode of failure was that the tab on the drop safety that interferes with the striker movement had been sheered off and stopped being a drop safety. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. to docile, too subtle, to contextual. Asking for a friend. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. He had to be reprimanded by the range officer twice for unsafe handling of his pistol. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. Hilton's $15 million lawsuit said, "there have been 54 reported uncommanded discharges of the P320," meaning the gun went off by itself, over the last five years in 22 states and Washington, D.C. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. . You should always use a real holster, or carry it condition 3 or 4 if its off-body. P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program | SIG SAUER who sells them? Sig Sauer P320 (Christine Peterson/TNS) February 22, 2021 Ryan Morgan Gunmaker Sig Sauer is facing a new lawsuit from a U.S. federal agent who claims his holstered P320 pistol discharged without him pulling the trigger and struck him in his upper right hip. While it seems that I have a preference for battle ships, The Romulans had Warbirds. Im reading about a moron who wraps a loaded firearm in a cloth and stuff it in a gym bag, and other dumb behavior that tells me the weapon isnt the problem but the user.